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bmwroadsterca 25-03-2025 17:40

Another battery charging thread where the term "CAN-bus" is used when in fact the CAN-bus has nothing to do with it. That is a popular misconception propagated by vendors misusing the term.

kloontz 25-03-2025 17:50

Agree, but what can you do? It's just the way people use the word CAN Bus...

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Rob-Roy 26-03-2025 08:02

Queste le foto appena fatte del mio:

https://i.postimg.cc/sXL6347T/20250326-075953.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/G9wXy3MY/20250326-080004.jpg

Il led canbus è attivo

Skipper 26-03-2025 08:05

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Originariamente inviata da bmwroadsterca (Messaggio 11261165)
Another battery charging thread where the term "CAN-bus" is used when in fact the CAN-bus has nothing to do with it. That is a popular misconception propagated by vendors misusing the term.


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gianvi 26-03-2025 09:59

Vorrei solo aggiungere che il medesimo caricabatterie e con le stesse impostazioni dei LED in foto (Lead Acid e Can Bus) funziona perfettamente su tre moto in mio possesso (F750GS, F850GS e R1250GS) collegandolo ovviamente alla presa DIN della moto.

bmwroadsterca 26-03-2025 19:16

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Originariamente inviata da Skipper (Messaggio 11261341)
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How often have you seen or heard the term “CAN-bus” in the context of a compatible charger for the accessory socket? Way too often and almost always dead wrong.

“CAN-bus” is probably the most misused term in all of BMW-related forum electrical discussions. For an understanding of what the CAN-bus actually is and does I suggest reading the article on Wikipedia.

The ZFE (Zentrale Fahrzeugelektronik or Central Chassis Electrics) is one of several controllers on modern BMW motorcycles. Its job is to manage chassis electrics. It senses logical inputs from switches and responds by turning things (lights, horns, grip heaters…) on and off. It also monitors current draw. If the current draw exceeds a threshold then the circuit is shut down so the ZFE replaces fuses. If the current draw is below a threshold on a light circuit the ZFE assumes that there is a burned out bulb or a wiring fault and tells the Kombi (the instrument cluster) to display a warning. The ZFE manages the accessory port and shuts it down if too much current is drawn (> 5A or >10A depending on the model and year). The ZFE also monitors the accessory port for the presence of a compatible charger and connects it to the battery for charging.

Compatible chargers are often referred to as “CAN-bus” chargers or some other term using “CAN-bus”. This is nonsense and has led to a great deal of confusion. This misuse of the term “CAN-bus” probably originates with charger vendors. Early on the vendors would characterize chargers as being suitable for “CAN-bus equipped” motorcycles as a way of saying that the motorcycle had a ZFE. Later the terminology morphed into terms like “CAN-bus compatible”, “CAN-bus charger” and “CAN-bus mode”.

The CAN-bus itself does not play a role in charging via the accessory port. That many say it does is part of the mythology.

The ZFE “listens” for a specific electrical handshake from a charger and if the handshake is present the ZFE connects the charger through to the battery. No CAN-bus messaging is required to accomplish this.

A ZFE compatible charger sends and repeats a pulse train to the accessory port. The pulse train starts with the charger presenting 12V to the port for 1 second. Then it waits for 150 milliseconds. Next it sends a series of ten 12V pulses each having a duration of 10 microseconds and spaced 100 milliseconds apart. It repeats this pulse train until it senses that the ZFE has connected it to the battery and then it starts its charging procedure.

Of course you can always attach a charger directly to the battery but BMW instructs you to not do so while the battery is installed in the bike. Why? The reason is that many modern chargers are “smart” and will try to recondition (desulphate) a battery if it decides that the battery needs reconditioning. The desulphation process involves the application of high voltage pulses to the battery and if the battery is connected in the bike then all the bike’s expensive electronics also get exposed to the high voltage pulses as well. So there is some risk of damage involved. BMW isn’t going to try to explain how to determine whether your particular charger has a desulphation capability or not so it just tells you not to charge the battery directly in the bike to mitigate the risk.

If you have a smart charger and intend to connect direct to the battery while the battery is in the bike you should read the charger’s manual to see if the desulphation mode can be disabled. I use the Optimate 4 charger in its “CAN-bus mode” (sic) direct to the battery because in that mode high voltage desulphation is deactivated. I can’t be bothered with charging via the accessory port.

Skipper 26-03-2025 19:46

Chiaro tutto.

shark03 06-04-2025 10:16

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Originariamente inviata da bmwroadsterca (Messaggio 11261687)
... I use the Optimate 4 charger in its “CAN-bus mode” (sic) direct to the battery because in that mode high voltage desulphation is deactivated. I can’t be bothered with charging via the accessory port.

Grazie per la condivisione, ma continuo a non capire se è pericolo o meno collegare il mantenitore di carica alla porta laterale DIN.
Personalmente ho utilizzato il mantenitore Optimate 4 su Ninet Scrambler, 1250GS e adesso su F900XR e non ho avuto mai problemi e la batteria ha mantenuto ottime performance.
Nell'ultimo periodo sto leggendo sempre più messaggi contradittori, eppure la stessa BMW vende un mantenitore di carica da collegare con connettore DIN alla presa laterale accessori

Skipper 06-04-2025 10:21

Io lo uso da sempre e solo con Bmw.


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